Zeptejte se ostatních

 

Tato diskuze je určena všem, kteří mají nějaký problém se svým buď nevidoucím okem a nebo jsou již po enukleaci či evisceraci. Pokud vás trápí různé otázky například ohledně transplantací, glaukomů, očních nervů, sítnice a kdo ví, čeho ještě, pokud vás zajímají zkušenosti s lékaři či nemocnicemi, a jiné, zkuste se zeptat ostatních. Třeba už si někdo jiný tím samým problémem, který vás právě teď trápí, prošel, a bude vám moci poradit. Pomáhejme si, buďme rádci sami sobě. Třeba nám někdo poradí něco, o čem jsme ani neměli tušení a pro nás to bude nová naděje.....

Diskusní téma: Zeptejte se ostatních

Eviscerace nebo enukleace?

Datum: 03.09.2019 | Vložil: Arelis

Ahoj. Je mi 29let. Už 17 let mám slepé oko. Dost jsem si vytrpěla (operace, glaukomové záchvaty). Nyní zvažuji evisceraci z kosmetických důvodu. Zajímalo by mě, jak dlouho jste byli po zákroku v pracovní neschopnosti? A našel by se někdo ochotný mi poradit a zodpovědět mé otázky na Facebook? Popřípadě i klidně posedět u piva nebo kávy? Plzeňský kraj. Děkuji <3

Re: Eviscerace nebo enukleace?

Datum: 15.09.2019 | Vložil: Martin

Ahojky, máš instagram?

Waw

Datum: 24.08.2019 | Vložil: Ievgenii

Dobrý den, možné je tady někdo kdo dělal se evisceraci, z další použitím měkki kontaktní čočkou? Dekuju za odpověď a pomoc.

Esteticka úprava oka

Datum: 18.08.2019 | Vložil: Vera

Dobrý den, mám dotaz.. Syn v necelých dvou letech oslepl na pravé oko, následkem úrazu.. Prorazil si sítnici..Očko je modré, bez zornicky, okamžitě to každý zaregistruje... Je to již sedm let, syn začíná být velký kluk, líbí se mu holky a já bych ráda, kdyby byla možnost oko esteticky upravit.. Ma přes ně jizvu, ta by se musela nejspíš nejdřív odstranit a pak...? Lze našít údajně čočku na pevno, či jsem viděla, že vyrábějí čočky na míru, ktere jsou sundávaci..
Muj dotaz zní,zda máte někdo nějaké rady... kdo máte zkušenost s něčím podobným, jak jste to snášeli, co to obnaselo...a jak jste spokojeni..
Dekuji a krásný večer. Vera

Kde robia enukleáciu?

Datum: 16.08.2019 | Vložil: Andrea

Pozdravujem vás všetkých.
Neviete, kde na Slovensku robia enukleáciu čo možno najlepšie? Alebo u vás v Česku?
A to by mi asi nepreplatila zdravotná poisťovňa, ak by mi to robili v Česku, že?

Ďakujem veľmi pekne za prípadné odpovede

Abuse and lifetime blocking of the site - zivotbezoka.cz.

Datum: 24.05.2019 | Vložil: Richiedaymn

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Datum: 24.05.2019 | Vložil: Brandongrels

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Datum: 24.05.2019 | Vložil: Shawnbub

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Abuse and lifetime blocking of the site - zivotbezoka.cz.

Datum: 24.05.2019 | Vložil: Williamvap

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Abuse and lifetime blocking of the site - zivotbezoka.cz.

Datum: 24.05.2019 | Vložil: PatrickBob

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+ tens of thousands of negative reviews about you and your website from angry people for aggressive web and email spam
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+ Thousands of angry complaints from angry people will come to your mail and messengers for sending you a lot of spam
+ complete destruction of your reputation and loss of clients forever
+ for a full recovery from the damage you need tens of thousands of dollars

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And everyone will not care that it is not you.
2. I’ll send messages to 19,000,000 email addresses and very intrusive advertisements for making money and offer a free iPhone with your website address zivotbezoka.cz and your contact details.
And then send out abusive messages with the address of your site.
3. I will do aggressive spam on blogs, forums and other sites (in my database there are 35 978 370 sites and 315 900 sites from which you will definitely get a huge amount of abuse) of your site zivotbezoka.cz.
After such spam, the spamhouse will turn its attention on you and after several abuses your host will be forced to block your account for life.
Your domain registrar will also block your domain permanently.

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If you do not want to receive thousands of complaints from users and your hosting provider, then pay before June 1, 2019.
The price of your peace of mind is 0.5 BTC.
Otherwise, I will send your site through tens of millions of sites that will lead to the blocking of your site for life and you will lose everything and your reputation as well.
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Datum: 24.05.2019 | Vložil: Melvintom

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+ tens of thousands of negative reviews about you and your website from angry people for aggressive web and email spam
+ lifetime blocking of your hosting account for aggressive web and email spam
+ lifetime blocking of your domain for aggressive web and email spam
+ Thousands of angry complaints from angry people will come to your mail and messengers for sending you a lot of spam
+ complete destruction of your reputation and loss of clients forever
+ for a full recovery from the damage you need tens of thousands of dollars

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Do you want this?

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And everyone will not care that it is not you.
2. I’ll send messages to 19,000,000 email addresses and very intrusive advertisements for making money and offer a free iPhone with your website address zivotbezoka.cz and your contact details.
And then send out abusive messages with the address of your site.
3. I will do aggressive spam on blogs, forums and other sites (in my database there are 35 978 370 sites and 315 900 sites from which you will definitely get a huge amount of abuse) of your site zivotbezoka.cz.
After such spam, the spamhouse will turn its attention on you and after several abuses your host will be forced to block your account for life.
Your domain registrar will also block your domain permanently.

All of the above will result in blocking your domain and hosting account for life.
If you do not want to receive thousands of complaints from users and your hosting provider, then pay before June 1, 2019.
The price of your peace of mind is 0.5 BTC.
Otherwise, I will send your site through tens of millions of sites that will lead to the blocking of your site for life and you will lose everything and your reputation as well.
But get a reputation as a malicious spammer.

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Datum: 24.05.2019 | Vložil: Joshuaduany

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+ tens of thousands of negative reviews about you and your website from angry people for aggressive web and email spam
+ lifetime blocking of your hosting account for aggressive web and email spam
+ lifetime blocking of your domain for aggressive web and email spam
+ Thousands of angry complaints from angry people will come to your mail and messengers for sending you a lot of spam
+ complete destruction of your reputation and loss of clients forever
+ for a full recovery from the damage you need tens of thousands of dollars

All of the above will result in blocking your domain and hosting account for life. The price of your peace of mind is 0.5 BTC.

Do you want this?

If you do not want the above problems, then before June 1, 2019, you need to send me 0.5 BTC to my Bitcoin wallet: 19ckouUP2E22aJR5BPFdf7jP2oNXR3bezL

How do I do all this to get this result:
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And everyone will not care that it is not you.
2. I’ll send messages to 19,000,000 email addresses and very intrusive advertisements for making money and offer a free iPhone with your website address zivotbezoka.cz and your contact details.
And then send out abusive messages with the address of your site.
3. I will do aggressive spam on blogs, forums and other sites (in my database there are 35 978 370 sites and 315 900 sites from which you will definitely get a huge amount of abuse) of your site zivotbezoka.cz.
After such spam, the spamhouse will turn its attention on you and after several abuses your host will be forced to block your account for life.
Your domain registrar will also block your domain permanently.

All of the above will result in blocking your domain and hosting account for life.
If you do not want to receive thousands of complaints from users and your hosting provider, then pay before June 1, 2019.
The price of your peace of mind is 0.5 BTC.
Otherwise, I will send your site through tens of millions of sites that will lead to the blocking of your site for life and you will lose everything and your reputation as well.
But get a reputation as a malicious spammer.

My bitcoin wallet:19ckouUP2E22aJR5BPFdf7jP2oNXR3bezL

Problémy se zdravým okem

Datum: 23.05.2019 | Vložil: Klára

Zdravím všechny, jsem strašně ráda, že jsem objevila tyto stránky a tedy někoho, kdo pochopí.
28.5.2011 jsem následkem úrazu oslepla na jedno oko, proletěla mi skrz něj kovová střepina, která je dosud uložena v levé očnici, je zapouzdřená, takže je zbytečné znovu zasahovat a vyndavat. Nicméně v září to budou dva roky, kdy mě začalo zlobit to zdravé oko. (zrovna jsem pracovala v excelu a najednou začaly mizet řádky) Od té doby mám pocit, jak kdybych na část oka viděla zamlženě nebo jako přes kapku vody, občas se na periferiích obraz "tetelí" někdy vidím lehké stíny tam, kde ve skutečnosti nejsou. Dioptrický problém není, peritest v naprostém pořádku, CT hlavy v pořádku, evokované potenciály v pořádku, oční pozadí v pořádku... vidělo mě za tu dobu už sedm lékařů na různých pracovištích, včetně pana Diblíka a nikdo neshledal, kromě drobné drůzy papily, která toto ale nezpůsobuje, žádný problém. Můj dotaz tedy zní, zda někdo z vás zažil něco podobného.. zda je to normální při vidění na jedno oko a je to třeba pouze únava. Někdy je to lepší, někdy horší, ale je to tam stále. Tato situace nastala dva měsíce po tom, co byl můj přítel napaden, já jsem byla u toho a bylo mi vyhrožováno, ať se do toho nepletu nebo přestanu vidět i na to druhé oko... všichni mi teda říkají, že je to psychosomatika. Myslíte si, že je to skutečně možné.
Děkuji za jakoukoliv odpověď a přeji krásné dny, Klára

Nádor zrakového nervu

Datum: 12.04.2019 | Vložil: Petra

Ahoj. Mám dceru, která má diagnostikovaný nádor zrakového nervu. Má někdo zkušenosti nebo je tady někdo se stejnou diagnózou? Moc děkuji.

Schopny ocni lekar na Zlinsku

Datum: 31.03.2019 | Vložil: Zaneta

Dobry den,chtela bych poprosit,zda-li by jste nevedeli o schopnem ocnim lekari na Zlinsku pro naseho 3-leteho syna,ktery nosi protezku.Uz jsme se parkrat spalili,zkouseli jsme i vetsi vzdalenost...Olomouc atd.Vetsinou neslo o to,ze by lekar nebyl kvalitni,ale spis jsme se setkali s aroganci a neochotou konzultovat.Napr.opakovany zanet spojivek (bakterialni) a lekar nevidel duvod,proc by mela probehnout kontrola po dokonceni lecby,abychom take vedeli,kdy muzeme opetovne nasadit protezku.Dekuji predem za doporuceni kontaktu.

Re: Schopny ocni lekar na Zlinsku

Datum: 26.04.2019 | Vložil: Eva

Zdravím, my navštěvujeme strabologii v nemocnici Zlín, přešli jsme sem právě kvůli špatnému přístupu lékařů v brněnské černopolní dětské nemocnici. Přístup zde je jiný, jen dlouhé objednací doby. Nicméně doporučuji.

Re: Re: Schopny ocni lekar na Zlinsku

Datum: 26.04.2019 | Vložil: Eva

pardon, (dětská) oční ambulance (strab. por.) 577 552 977, Dr. Erika Dugová

Re: Re: Schopny ocni lekar na Zlinsku

Datum: 18.08.2019 | Vložil: Veronika

Také se mi zdá, že se přístup lékařů v dětské nemocnici v Brně zhoršil... Nedala jsem na ně dopustit, ale poslední rok, dva koukám...

Poskodeny zrakovy nerv

Datum: 27.01.2019 | Vložil: Fera

Dobry den, ma tu niekto atrofiu zrakoveho nervu od narodenia?

dôchodok

Datum: 28.11.2018 | Vložil: Kristina

Ja poberam dôchodok, nevedela som o tom ale spatne mi vyplatili ( socialna poistovna) 5000 eur! pekne treba ist za lekarom, dat sa vysetrit a ist na soćialku a ziadat si to co vam patri

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